Continuing Development / Support: The Future Of MSMW?

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  1. KEXINO
    Member

    1) InFocus is no longer on ThemeForest.
    2) The last few theme updates - since at least 2 years - have been bugfixes (i.e. no new functionality)
    3) Themes are still not properly responsive (i.e. using a framework such as Twitter Bootstrap).
    4) Themes are still reliant on outmoded tech such as Cufon and TimThumb (Cufon recommends using Adobe Typekit, and even the original TimThumb developer doesn't recommend using TimThumb any more)

    Are they any next-generation themes (e.g. using things like CSS animations, less separate .js scripts, proper responsive architecture, etc.) coming in the near future? Or should we be worried that you guys are going out of business?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. scoc
    Member

    I think that some developers are up against it these day with the advent of Visual Composer, Divi 2.0 and all the other VC addons. In some respect the people at MSMW have done a stellar job of keeping it going as long as they have and despite the thousands of other themes that have been released, Infocus still stands up to many of them. Some themes are taken down prior to major updates or releases so that might be the reason.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Can't seem to reach my download section. Is it related? - I fear for the worst.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. I just got an update (looking for what is change / new - to see if it worth installing inFocus again)
    It's on ThemeForest - Go get it

    Sure hope they ironed out this beautiful theme.
    But with no capa for Woo and 100% Mobile friendly ... I am not coming back :-(

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. v 3.9 seems to be only a small update for prettyphoto (v3.1.6: “XSS Fix”)

    I'd also like to get some more infos about the future of infocus as I bought 2 copies..

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. KEXINO
    Member

    @Netzie yeah, I just got the update mail from Themeforest too - thanks for the heads-up. There doesn't seem to be any real changes apart from an update to PrettyPhoto (as @cherrmann mentions).

    I really want these guys to succeed. I still believe that a part of the success of my company in its early days was my adoption of InFocus 5+ years ago (coupled with the fantastic support on these forums from Elliott and others) and I want to support MSMW if I can.

    While my own site now uses a different theme (I couldn't wait any longer) I still have clients using InFocus, Persuasion and Echelon who are getting more and more frustrated with the slow evolution of the underlying framework of the themes.

    Dear MSMW admins: Any chance of you guys sharing your dev plans with us, your loyal customers?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. What about some customer support as you did in the past?
    Everybody on holiday?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. sandyme
    Member

    I agree with KEXINO's comment above. I have enjoyed working with MSMW themes over the years. I come back often looking to see if there's something new.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Why is this shown as resolved?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. KEXINO
    Member

    @cherrmann I think that the lack of an official reply from any MSMW admins for the past 2+ weeks has answered the question - unfortunately.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. @KEXINO: I still hope there comes a day when they tell us:
    "Dear long-year customers, we are proud and happy to present the new Infocus 4.0! We did a fresh, clean, modern update to it, which took all of our effort for a moment. Thanks for being patient. Sorry folks, timthumb and Cufon has been dropped because of security reasons. But we have a visual editor now....."

    Something like that..

    And then I woke up. :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Yeah, the good old days.
    RIP msmw :-(

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    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. KEXINO
    Member

    To be fair, I think MSMW support is still good. It's just such a shame that it's supporting a product range built on what is now considered to be an outmoded architecture.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. I can't hold the horses back. Elliot, how can you answer some questions here as usual, but say not ONE word to the missing changelog for 3.9 or to our questions of the future of infocus? What weird tactic is this? Right now I cannot assume any good reasons for your behaviour and must think about dropping infocus after all.
    :-(

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. I am curious, what themes did you guys change to?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. I did not change the theme yet, but I informed a customer that support and development of infocus seems dead and we must discuss a complete reload of the website, which ist a bigger, customized project in 3 languages. Of course the first question was 'is this really needed?', and I said, we could wait some days. But not only because of (future) security aspects I will try to enforce the customer to let me change to a modern theme like enfold soon, of course causing costs. He will be pleased ;-) I don't think there's a theme you could easily switch to instead of infocus without a complete new setup of your page.

    What's going on here, or better, what's not, is an absolute no-go.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. KEXINO
    Member

    I agree with @cherrmann in that changing for any MSMW theme to another theme will require pretty much a ground-up site rebuild. The CSS classes will be different, and existing MSMW theme shortcodes, for example, will have to change. Well, they won't have to (you could add the MSMW shortcode syntax to the shortcode list in your new theme), but it would be a cumbersome way to do things, and you may well end up with conflicts.

    @Quipa I'm sure there are 101 answers to this question. For me I've moved my site (kexino.com) and the sites of perhaps 90% of our clients to the X theme, by themeco. I have found it to be a very flexible and extensible theme, based on a rock-solid framework, and very good support for advanced on-page SEO techniques.

    Finally, and probably most importantly, the devs offer fantastic support (even for things that, strictly speaking, aren't even theme-related issues). There's even a very active and helpful Facebook community.

    HTH

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. omg
    Member

    Thanks guys for the suggestions on new theme companies, I will start a new thread where people can chime in on what they suggest.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. Bump!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. KEXINO
    Member

    Bump, bump, bumpity bump...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. it is indeed very sad & heartbreaking to see MSMW perish. :(

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. KEXINO
    Member

    Bump, bump, bumpity bump...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. KEXINO
    Member

    El bumpo

    Posted 8 months ago #
  24. OnePressTech
    Member

    I am in the process of creating a community MSMW fork in GitHub. It's taking longer than originally planned due to client commitments but I am hoping to have it up by the end of the month.

    NOTE: Awake and InFocus themes will not be included since these are distributed through ThemeForest under their terms.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  25. @OnePressTech — Thanks for posting this. I am using Construct for a client and running into an issue with PHP7 as the control panel or site options is not loading and I believe it's PHP7 but this stuff is over
    my head

    [Tue Nov 15 23:32:34 2016] [error] [pid 27867] mod_proxy_fcgi.c(673): [client 192.168.194.166:52906] AH01071: Got error 'PHP message: PHP Warning: Declaration of aec_contributor_list::form() should be compatible with WP_Widget::form($instance) in /domain-www/wp-content/plugins/ajax-event-calendar/inc/widget-contributors.php on line 0\nPHP message: PHP Warning: Declaration of mysiteDescriptionWalker::start_el(&$output, $item, $depth, $args) should be compatible with Walker_Nav_Menu::start_el(&$output, $item, $depth = 0, $args = Array, $id = 0) in /domain-www/wp-content/themes/construct/lib/classes/menu-walker.php on line 0
    
    PHP message: PHP Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Function name must be a string in /domain-www/wp-content/themes/construct/lib/admin/classes/option-generator.php:38
    Stack trace:
    #0 /domain-www/wp-content/themes/construct/lib/admin/admin.php(105): mysiteOptionGenerator->__construct(Array)
    #1 /domain-www/wp-includes/plugin.php(524): mysiteAdmin::options('')\n#2 /domain-www/wp-admin/admin.php(222): do_action('toplevel_page_m...')
    #3 {main}\n thrown in /domain-www/wp-content/themes/construct/lib/admin/classes/option-generator.php on line 38

    Do post more info if construct theme might be part of a GitHub project

    thanks

    Posted 7 months ago #
  26. OnePressTech
    Member

    Hi @MacMyDay Send me an email at admin@backstopthemes.com and I will put you on the list.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  27. sparrow145
    Member

    So based on the apparent state of MSMW and inFocus, I'll obviously need to switch to another theme...The biggest challenge now is that so much functionality was based on MSMW tools such as accordion menus and other such shortcode driven ways of organizing content, unique CSS classes, etc. - things I'm sure you're all totally familiar with and concerned about.

    Can anyone suggest the best and most compatible alternative? One where minor modification can patch things up significantly and where similar tools (shotcode based content handlers) are available to minimize development time as much as possible? I have fancy boxes, accordion menus, tabbed menus, etc. all over the place and building these from scratch is going to be terrible.

    Is simply switching to another MSMW theme a good option? I know they'll handle the shortcode, but are there any that are still supported?? ...or at least updated recently enough to buy me some time?

    Greatly appreciate your advice. Thanks!

    Posted 7 months ago #
  28. OnePressTech
    Member

    You can stick with MSMW Mark2 (backstopthemes.com) if you want...unless you are an Awake or inFocus client...then you are outof luck unfortunately since these are proprietary themes.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  29. ian
    Member

    @OnePressTech - I have used inFocus on many sites and we have discussed here that you cannot 'backstop' these, but further to @sparrow145's comment, am I right in that all the MSMW themes have a lot of common elements?

    So would this make it possible to easily switch from inFocus to another MSMW/BackStop theme with minimal changes / effort? Or would it still be a major uplift to move to a BackStop theme that was like inFocus (if there is one)?

    Just looking at possible options to avoid having to move to a completely different theme on a number of sites.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  30. OnePressTech
    Member

    If you do a folder / file level comparison between your copy of infocus and the 9 MSMW themes you should be able to decide which is the closest match. I'm not sure what tool you might use to do the comparison. I use a commercial product called DiffDog from Altova.

    I would love to be able to tell you which of the 9 MSMW GPL themes is a close match for inFocus and Awake but, disappointingly, due to the nature of the ThemeForest proprietary legal terms I can't even touch a copy of Awake and inFocus AND maintain an open source repository for the 9 GPL MSMW themes. Neither can any contributors to the BackStop themes.

    I also raise your awareness that the ThemeForest terms are so onerous that anyone making software adjustments to the inFocus or Awake themes who is not the theme purchaser or documented subcontractor is in breach of Themeforest terms. Additionally, no-one can make changes (patches, fixes, customisations) to anything other than the php in the Awake and inFocus themes...including css, icons, images, html, and Javascript without breaching Themeforest terms. That is why I do not buy products for me or my clients from Envato. Total lock-in to the supplier. Please don't shoot the messenger :-)

    NOTE: My interpretation of Themeforest terms is personal. I am not a lawyer. If you want a proper legal opinion of the Envato terms...please consult a lawyer (sorry for the disclaimer...just playing it safe :-).

    If you do the folder comparison and decide one of the 9 MSMW themes is a close match for inFocus and / or Awake, could you post that on this forum for others.

    I would love to have had a simple migration option for Awake and inFocus clients but, it is not within my power unfortunately.

    Kind regards,
    Tim

    Posted 6 months ago #
  31. sparrow145
    Member

    I've worked with several MSMW themes - both from Themeforest and from right here. I know they have several shortcodes and all the gizmos they power in common. I'm excited about the possibility of preserving this stuff as intact as possible. How is it recommended that one acquire a new theme to run with - I'm considering "Method" or "Modular" - are those available? Where, how? Will there be continuing support for either of these and do they have the security patches and updates that kind of killed inFocus (timthumb, etc.)?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  32. OnePressTech
    Member

    Hi @sparrow145 - see forum posts regarding BackStop Themes...a community fork of the MSMW themes.

    Posted 6 months ago #

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